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Rats to the Rescue? Meet the World’s Smallest, Most Unexpected Heroes


April 1, 2026

This conversation will challenge everything you thought you knew about rats. Host Jordan Tyler sits down with Erin Sackett of APOPO and BSM Partners’ own zoological expert, Dr. Jen Parsons, to explore the incredible world of HeroRATs—African giant pouched rats trained to detect landmines, diagnose tuberculosis, combat wildlife trafficking, and even assist in search and rescue missions. Join us as we break down age-old myths about rodents and rats to showcasing how these incredible animals are transforming global health and safety.

Episode Description

This conversation will challenge everything you thought you knew about rats. Host Jordan Tyler sits down with Erin Sackett of APOPO and BSM Partners’ own zoological expert, Dr. Jen Parsons, to explore the incredible world of HeroRATs—African giant pouched rats trained to detect landmines, diagnose tuberculosis, combat wildlife trafficking, and even assist in search and rescue missions. Join us as we break down age-old myths about rodents and rats to showcasing how these incredible animals are transforming global health and safety.

Helpful Links

💣 Learn more about APOPO and its HeroRATs program, including how you can adopt or support a HeroRAT today!

🐀 Read more about the African giant pouched rat.

🎁 Find out how you can support the HeroRATs program and other APOPO initiatives around the world: https://apopo.org/support-us/

Show Notes

00:00 – Inside The Episode

00:13 – Pop Culture vs. Reality: Reframing How We Think About Rats

08:39 – Why African Giant Pouched Rats Are Uniquely Suited For Being HeroRATs

11:54 – The Four Key Roles of HeroRATs

14:08 – How Rats Detect Landmines Faster and Safer

16:24 – Using Scent Detection to Diagnose Tuberculosis

19:39 – Combating Wildlife Trafficking with Scent-Trained Rats

22:03 – Search And Rescue: The Future of Disaster Response

24:20 – Training to Become a HeroRAT

29:17 – The Full Pension Package

31:59 – The Human Element

33:49 – How to Support APOPO and the HeroRATs Program

37:35 – Final Thoughts: Rethinking Rats and Their Role in Our World


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